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This is a got ya' moment? absolutely not. this is the open window into the open and honest decision to thwart an investigation into russia and get rid of the man he didn't trust to conclude it the right way. how big a deal is this? >> it is a big deal. within that it is worth keeping in mind, chris, he is talking about somebody worried about his personal position. he is not saying manafort had nothing to do with it. he is not saying michael flynn was okay. he is not saying everything was okay with the transition and campaign. he said the fbi director told me permane personally. he is talking a...

At this time. i'm aligning for the possibility it could have been mi misinterpret misinterpreted. >> let's get a check from the bird-like man sitting to your left. phil. >> i think david is right. it is not just a question of whether someone is a subject of the investigation. the inappropriateness is a dinner with the fbi director whos hwho has a ten-year term. are you loyal? this is not appropriate. you captan't do that. >> i agree with that. people are focused on the wrong thing. will the investigation move forward? yes. it will. again i think we have to focus on the act the president trying...

Attack. i know some folks over there. the morale is rock bottom. there is a question of what is going on and what they will do to rescue institution. look, j. edgar hoover was there from 1969. 40 years later, he is still dominating it. that is where the idea of the ten-year term to insulate them from politics. i think people don't understand. this is like the white house butler or something like that. you can be fired or changed around. this is an important institution that is supposed to be held in check and held outside of politics. clearly the president doesn't believe that. >> phil mudd? w...

He was going to intensify the investigation. i don't think there is much question. >> chasing the ill legality is ill advised, but not wrong? >> here is how we know it is wrong. if there was a conversation of resources and he appoints somebody who is a crony. the crony says we have too many resources and cuts it down. i hope he doesn't do that. i hope he appoints somebody of distinction and not a crony. >> professors, thank you for the perspective. poppy. smart minds on the show this morning. thank you, gentlemen. more on president trump's interview and growing fallout from the firing of fbi...

And perhaps president trump himself? that is the question. it was as clear to me as day for him to say to lester holt that i've got nothing that -- i asked myself about russia. i use that as the reason to fire him. to me, it is game, set, match. that is why there's been so much frustration within the white house. they don't speak with one voice. the president counters everything said. >> and david gregory, we talk about the contradictions of the white house, et cetera, et cetera. senator markey, a democrat. he said this is a constitutional crisis. how big is this? >> i was reading something on...