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Contempt it thoroughly deserves. >> we apologize here. >> david gergen. >> just saying if you have a different kind of judging, let's say the top ten thugs in the world then vladimir putin could well be on the top of that list. the problem you have with this list is, let's take you take this kind of survey about how people exercised power in the second world war. probably hitler then stalin then franklin roosevelt and maybe churchill. look at the value that is go into a survey. >> on top of a demographically dying, really running russia horribly, putin, against the president of the united stat...

Horribly, putin, against the president of the united states with the biggest military more than anybody else put together. it's just obvious -- it's an obvious trawl. >> but if you're sitting there as the editor of the magazine i bet they do sell magazines. >> they do. he wouldn't be on here. >> i don't think that putting putin on the top, i don't think putting putin on the top is not a -- i don't say putin is going to be on top. this what is the voting was. obama's been on top three out of the five years we've done it. president of china was on top one year. there are lots of interesting stor...