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Some access to the trump campaign as a result. what do you think about this new development. >> i think it's interesting. anybody who ever believed that was a casual meeting in the seychelles. i would like to offer them the 666 building that the kushners now have. it was never believable. that was ridiculous, he's another contact to russia, it's another thing that is manafort and gates are clearly involved with, and they were very much involved in the trump campaign so we're looking at not just obstruction, we're looking at collusion, and i think the evidence is growing on both of those cases....

Saying no, that wouldn't be right, wouldn't be prudent to meet with the russians? >> yeah, i think so. for a couple reasons, brian. first of all, obviously manafort was at the top of the campaign despite efforts that suggest that manafort played a limited role for a limited time in the words of former secretary sean spicer, manafort was there at a pivotal moment. he does have ties to both serious russian players and people who are very closely allied to the putin regime include i including victorian na cove itch, the former president of the ukraine. and there are things that have come into the...

Reince priebus was on paul manafort's schedule for a meeting that same day. we don't know if they ultimately met, but you can rest assured know that mueller will look into whether that meeting between reince priebus and manafort occurred and ask both manafort and priebus for any details on that. >> if we were to read the tea leaves and lord knows journalists would never engage in something like that. would manafort, do we look at him and think he's the crux of all or a substantial part of the mueller case even though here his name appears in an exculpatory manner, manafort was saying no, that ...

Saying no, that wouldn't be right, wouldn't be prudent to meet with the russians? >> yeah, i think so. for a couple reasons, brian. first of all, obviously manafort was at the top of the campaign despite efforts that suggest that manafort played a limited role for a limited time in the words of former secretary sean spicer, manafort was there at a pivotal moment. he does have ties to both serious russian players and people who are very closely allied to the putin regime including viktor yanukovych, the former president of the ukraine. and there are things that have come into the sites that don...

Not just the people in the meeting. subpoena donald trump's secretary to say did donald jr. show up to talk to his father? and then they'll put donald jr. under oath. >> we will find and i, you know, just look at it, it looks like a suspicious meeting. and president trump helmed write that misleading statement about what the content of that meeting was between donald trump jr., kushner, manafort, and the russian lawyer when it was just about adoption when we know that the intent was dirt on hillary clinton from the russian government. >> and you can guarantee we're seeing about 1% of the story...