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I found that president trump is different at times when there's a camera in the room, versus when you're there as a print reporter with a pad. he's not playing to the camera, there's no camera there, when you're doing a print-only interview. sometimes he gives sharper answers. >> he plays to the room. once he feels comfortable, he can change his tone and tenor depending who he's talking to. it's a different donald trump, in trump tower, versus donald trump you see on the stage of a rally. >> counselor, i recognize that all that is advice is transferable to robert mueller who can't walk in and ...

Obviously mueller and his team know donald trump not just in the way we see him publicly but they know him through sources that we don't have access to. so they really are going to know him. through e-mails, through communications, you know, texts, documents, going pretty far back. at this point, they may know things about him he doesn't even remember and they're going it be meticulous in learning those facts and being so familiar with them and that's going to be their best tool because that's going to enable them to really pin him down and not let him just dodge the questions. i agree that so...

Transferable to robert mueller who can't walk in and say mr. president, i love what you're doing with your hair. having said that, how do you pin down a subject like donald trump? >> i think this goes to a basic point of know your witness. obviously mueller and his team know donald trump not just in the way we see him publicly but they know him through sources that we don't have access to. so they really are going to know him. through e-mails, through communications, you know, texts, documents, going pretty far back. at this point, they may know things about him he doesn't even remember and th...

He should resign. >> robert mueller must be fired immediately. >> he should resign immediately tonight. >> it's kind of funny, right? obviously mueller's not going to take sean hannity's advice. but some republicans are listening. on friday three house republicans moved to pressure mueller to resign in a formal letter. back with me now, elan ya johnson of politico and also joining me, endeerra -- i don't want to mess up your name. i apologize. i saw you a week ago and i already messed it up. you're a columnist is for the "boston globe." david, you've spent a lot of time reporting on the murdoc...

Off hillary clinton and the rush investigation and stay focused on his job overseas. >> shep: are just wondering if it's going to alter his tweeting schedule because this morning wf filler and a fresh dose of pocahontas to kick this trip off. what is the strategy and punching down pocahontas? >> i think that he believes, as many people do come out that elizabeth warren is a leader of the democratic party and a challenger to him in 2020. he likes to go after her. it really anything is a useful distraction these days. obviously mueller's targeting tony podesta. the revelation that donna brazile,...