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Is that the president is not moved by what the conversation is on whether or not he should enkbaj gauge in the optics of some debate or another. if he thought it were helpful to go to the border, he would do it. sometimes you have to do it without announcing it publicly because of the security risk and different things like that. but maybe he also doesn't want to pull personnel off what they are doing dealing with the crisis happening down there. >> don't you think it is an odd position to say this is an urgent humanitarian crisis we're requesting $4 billion from congress and have heads of all...

Bills. it's an odd position he's taken. he doesn't want congress doing it legislatively though we have legislative authority. he'll make similar changes on his own. that's not the way the constitution is structured. >> i believe in the constitution. i taught the constitution for ten years. i will not be doing an end run around congress. what can be done? what can be done? what happens with your bill? >> so my bill is basically the house will express disapproval about that. so we are on repocord saying we don't think it is constitutional. no one was saying anything. i felt if we just remaineded...

People are so afraid of grabbing something. this has bipartisan appeal, it has things that democrats like and things that republicans will like, and it also has things that both parties will object to, which means i think that we're on the right track. >> well, i want to talk about the sort of budget negotiations that may come in a second, but first of all, if it comes to pass, a deal is hammered out in the senate along the lines of what we've seen so far, it goes to the house and if it comes to pass that john boehner brings it to the floor for an open vote, which is an open question, and if i...

In what you can. >> i am in an odd position. not only did i send my children to public school, i went -- private school, i went to a private school. but she has a point. >> competition destroys -- >> 98% of american children go to public schools. who doesn't go to public schools typically is people of means and wealth and high level of education. you know -- >> that's why you should open it up to give, if you really want to spread the wealth around, give kids that are less fortunate the opportunity to go to some of the public schools. that would be a great argument for -- private school, someo...

Group groups. i immediately wanted to talk to you about this. we had conversations about progressives in the catholic church and our interesting, tense relationship with the church. were you surprised by these comments by pope francis? >> in many ways, no. i think the two groups you're most likely to hear the word humility from are political leaders and religious leaders. they're the two groups least likely to mean it. i think with this pope, we're constantly impressed regardless of his theological positions that this is someone whose first impulse is to love. his first impulse is to be humble...