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>> he would not get in the middle of things that were in the heat of the moment, and some criticized him at the time being too put-off-ish. >> facing down george wallaces and the schoolhouse -- >> exactly. i'll go down myself. >> exactly. this is his kind of moment. with the tucson thing, and that was a terrible thing but nobody really expected him to have to go to tucson, and he went ahead and do it. >> i think everybody president who risks doing things who look risky are richly rewarded and it the tucson thing was a very good example. >> but this is a president who takes risks. he is a presi...