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Things like accountable care organizations. in fact, we've actually seen very recently that the per capita costs of medicare are rising more slowly than they were before. so that's the path that we would take as opposed to a path that doesn't reduce the costs of health care. it simply transfers the rising costs and the risks on to seniors on medicare. and, again, you have to do that because their budget calls for hees huge tax breaks for the wealthy. it's pretty simple math. if you say you're not going to ask for one more penny to reduce our deficit from folks at the top, like mitt romney, it ...

>> let me ask you something, david, how does mitt romney in the very week that he's running an ad, that he says, i'm mitt romney, i approve this ad, it's patently false and he's lecturing people on the quality of campaigns? he ought to be ashamed of himself. >> do you support $700 billion in cuts in medicare over the next ten years. >> i'm not running for president? >> do you? why can't you answer? >> paul ryan is running for vice president. >> david gregory is moderator of "meet the press." david, i was just struck when you just sat back and looked at the entire show yesterday -- >> yeah. >> ...

Spirited contentious debates in the budget committee on the floor of the house but always in a civil manner and i think that has actually crystallized the issues and i've told paul very clearly, the more the american people get to know his budget, his plan, the romney-ryan plan, the less people are going to like it. >> do you think that some of the language being used now already -- i'm sorry, in the last 48 hours -- what we thought was going to be sort of elevate the debate, we're seeing -- we're going to have a very contentious and maybe overly sound bited attack ads when it comes to medicar...

And deficit. that's the central issue that people have been ignoring and there are a lot of people in the middle, frankly, swing voters who are angry and frustrated at the failure of president obama to deal with the long-term fiscal health of the -- >> the problem is, and i guess, is that those folks don't think medicare and social security is broken. they don't think it's broken the way it is. they want it to keep working the way it is, even if they know that they have to change the model, right? isn't that the nut here? >> the leadership needs to patiently explain. i think ryan will do this....

Ryan has certainly energized the republican base. we're going to talk about the medicare proposal all morning because the congressman's proposal that could change medicare to more of a voucher system could drive seniors away from the republican ticket. in our latest wall street journal poll, romney had had a double-digit lead among voters 65 years and older. 54-43. remember, folks, this used to be a toss up category. democrats have seen an erosion among seniors in the last decade. in critical battleground states, losing any of those voters could mean the difference between winning and losing t...