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Immigration deal? >> yeah, joe, and mika, yes, it is. first, let me say this, we can absolutely pass a bipartisan bicameral daca deal with border security. there will be some kind of a pathway to citizenship for these young people. there's no question about this. this is within reach. the real challenge for us on this daca issue is going to be the house. once the senate passes a bill -- and i believe they will -- the house is going to have to take up that bill. right now the house energy is spent trying to pass a republican-only daca bill which is a fantasy. it has no chance of passing the sen...

But you know having served in the house that if the speaker wants to put the clamps on something, he can. >> donald trump can. look, the steven boyd memo is very important. this is the justice department officially saying this. he's the assistant attorney general but he only sends that memo if it's cleared by the attorney general himself and run by the white house chief of staff and counsel. that's a major statement by the administration that it would be -- what did he say? extraordinarily reckless? where's trump? trump has tweeted that it should come out. sarah huckabee sanders implied they w...

Strain of thought on what's going on. and it is this -- that a lot of what we read, a lot of what we end up talking about on cable tv, about these daily headlines, these daily stories, it seems every day we get two or three different eye-popping stories out of washington. there's an element of distraction to all of them. because at the root of this is an astounding fact, according to these intel people, and the former fbi people. and it is this -- that at the root of this, is russia's role in manipulating an election in the united states of america. russia. not our friend, not our ally, russia...

>> no. i hate to say it, i don't take any satisfaction in saying that but clearly everybody has experienced him over the last year, two years, says one thing one day, it's the complete opposite the next day. until something is inked and signed, off question. >> talk about the degree in negotiating, dealing with the art of the deal when you don't believe the guy on the other side of the table. >> trust is everything. you're going to have charlie dent here who is a noble republican who i disagree with and when charlie dent gives you his word, take it to the bank. you can't function as a democrac...

Votes. if that rule wsh in place, this bill would be dead on arrival, do you suppose this is an instance where the president needs to get actively involved, tell paul ryan put the bill on if this is in fact what the outline looks like and then if paul ryan does that, is that something that passes the house easily? >> if a bill comes over from the senate with bipartisan support, i believe it will have more than adequate votes to pass the house of representatives. the question right now is what kind of bill will the president sign? still unclear where the president is. a statement yesterday that...