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>> yes. and in the middle of it, john mccain came to the democratic side. four or five of us huddled around him. he had a question about the bird rule. that is, we were contesting potentially the last section of the eight-page bill saying it didn't seem to fit the rules. we said we wld set that aside. he asked questionsbout whether we would be willing to proceed to the defense he authorization act and facilitate that so that we didn't have a long, drawnout markup of it. we said we were happy to do that. that felt pretty positive. it sounded like he was about to go with us. but we still weren't...

Know a lot of republicans in congress, doesn't know a lot of the republican establishment, is he going to make things better, is he going to somehow advance the republican legislative agenda that trump wants to advance? i don't know. it's not clear this is going to fix that problem. >> the question off twheepts advance is odd. you have a situation to mckay's point, sean spicer and reince priebus were sort of the actual institutional republican party, an organization to which he has a complicated, strange alienated relationship. he is the most important republican in the country, and yet the pa...

That i report on who are working in the trenches, whether it's democratic hill staffers or republican hill staffers with to be chaos for those fighting the bill was hard. they felt like there was a lot of distraction. both the president's allies and the president's opponents find the chaos maddening in different ways. do you feel that the chaos ends up making -- seriously. do you feel that the chaos has made it harder to mobilize the president's agenda? >> that's a great question. it's worth noting as a side note that chaos is an authoritarian ruling strategy. all of us need to keep our eyes o...

With health care rather than starting with tax reform. which has traditionally been republican terrain. tax reform is something that trump understands better. there's broader unity and consensus than there was on health care. the question is, moving forward particularly with a new chief of staff in place, can this white house operate with focus and discipline, with strategy, communications, everyone on the same team on the same page working together. and i think the necessity is there. >> matt, i have some news for you. i mean in all honesty, i just didn't think that's going to happen. i think...

I think you're seeing people celebrate this week rightly because of the incredible victory. that we have seen. and no one is resting on their laurels. everyone's getting ready to fight again as much as we need to to keep this terrible destructive cruel idea from ever seeing the light of day. >> what anna just said connects to something you said about moving on about tax reform. there is not going to be the same level of moral vehemence in resistance to a tax bill. there will be strong opposition and taxes are hard. but i guess my question to you is, did she do you think they will actually move...