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Hampshire and all you have to do is beat bush there. i can see a root now to early success. >> absolutely. but also, i mean, there is a root to early success and we can see why people like him. he fights back. he has no shame about saying i'm rich. he has no shame -- >> the money that a lot of people would like to have. >> he goes after democrats, republicans, journals, there is a path. herman cane was on fire at this point years ago -- >> okay, okay, this -- >> he burnt out. i believe it. >> you think he's hermann -- >> i don't think he's hermann cane but entertaining as hermann cane and do y...

>> okay, okay, this -- >> he burnt out. i believe it. >> you think he's hermann -- >> i don't think he's hermann cane but entertaining as hermann cane and do you really seriously believe there is a path to seeing a president -- >> i do. i do now. >> i don't. >> he's a hot knife through butter that's been left out for a week. >> what happens when you got one person -- >> we're not there. >> i'll tell you what how he gets there, knocks off walker to win the western conference. he becomes the chief right wing candidate and then goes on and faces somebody like kasich or bush or a guy and that is w...

Conversation, who seized the sense of distrust and anger in politics, in the republican party and for now embodies it and he's the guy for whom all the other candidates are aiming and for whom he is the biggest challenge -- >> will they shoot? >> they have no choice but to shoot and if they shoot right and strong, it will be a big thing. >> robert, you got insight. >> you may want to take a shot. remember the line from the wire, you come at the king you best not miss. those candidates know there is an opportunity to challenge trump. >> what do you hear? >> if you take him on, that become as st...