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Or putting on robes on ku kluz klan, that's not a defense that one would want to advance. leland: you put these things together, northam used racism to beat up on ed gallespie but also go after president trump as a number of democrats also have. is this a watershed moment when all of a sudden you have a democratic governor that was elected and your own opposition research, own campaign, et cetera, never uncovered this photograph, is it time to stop and pause before accusing people of racism without really concrete proof? >> no, i actually think, you know, obviously we have to be thoughtful abo...

Say it was them, they don't typically say it was me and i'm sorry sorry and now say oh, never mind. >> yeah, that's what makes this all so weird. why would you come out ahead saying it's you and try to backtrack. i think he should resign unless he has evidence that it's not him, you have to bring the person forward. >> start the search for the real klansman, how do you prove from a photo that was on your own yearbook page. do either of you can equivocally say i have never taken a photo like that or dressed like that or you can say, well, maybe i don't know which one was me, maybe it was a phot...

Governor knotam -- northam coming to understand in ways he never images, i'm the one that feels this is a disqualifying moment for him. it makes it very difficult for him to govern a state as diverse as virginia. leland: hold on congressman, he says it wasn't him. >> i'm dumbfounded by that. leland: first he said it was him and he's sorry, the quote being i'm deeply sorry for the decision i made to appear in the photograph, website published a photograph of me but now it wasn't me, it's like the shaggy defense but after you admitted that it was you. >> i think that's really troubling because l...