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Ferguson p.d. is a bunch of racist -- >> no. what i'm saying is that they don't factor in offense behavior pattern. so for example you know blacks between the age of 14 and 17 ten times higher murder rate than whites and hispanics combined. now, we have real dead bodies there. is someone going to say that's a racial thing? >> it's an interesting perspective. no one's been defending the ferguson p.d. and from a legal standpoint you are making the case that this could be -- you could do this to virtually any police department go in and play the numbers game and wouldn't wind up in their favor. >...

Blacks offend the traffic laws at a higher rate than -- >> what about e-mails? >> the racist e-mails are a disgrace. any place they could be found and are found throughout the country somebody should be certainly doing something about that. but this business about you know, they were using this as a revenue raising measure. you know, first of all, the statistics also show blacks pay their fines at a lower rate than other populations. >> so you're not buying the ferguson p.d. is a bunch of racist -- >> no. what i'm saying is that they don't factor in offense behavior pattern. so for example you...