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Suborning perjury but he did already implicate him in another serious crime and it's just as important that they investigate that crime as they do russia. what do you make of that statement? >> i think -- >> frank? >> i'm sorry. go ahead. >> i think that the important thing to remember is that the special counsel doesn't want this investigation to be tried in the court of public opinion. this is about making a case that he can bring charges in a court of law, even if it goes to impeachment. it's all about the facts and evidence and about keeping the focus on that. in the instance of buzzfeed, ...

Turning to the mueller investigation right now and that rare rebuttal of this buzzfeed report about michael cohen. you can see there, with all the reporting and speculation about the investigation, why would the special counsel actually weigh in now? what does it say about the investigation? >> this was a very rare comment from the special counsel and it shows that they felt they needed to clear the record, obviously, this buzzfeed report was an explosive report that basically implicated the president in criminal activity and the special counsel wanted to put on the record that they disputed t...

It is also interesting in context with what happened this week. rudy giuliani said collusion might've happened but it didn't happen with president trump, maybe others around him on the trump campaign and so that means in combination with the remarks president trump made by robert mueller the special counsel, that this is no longer a witch hunt. they have acknowledged that paul manafort colluded in some way. it was accidentally revealed by his lawyers. it's an interesting development and i don't think we have to wait for a mueller report. we should for all findings like the allegation contained...

There work to go prove. it's about that level of proof or that standard of proof that he would be -- that he would need to make in a court of law as opposed to in a newspaper. >> in the articles of impeachment against president nixon, if there's an ounce of the buzzfeed article that's true, should the president be impeached? >> we have to find out what the facts are about that. i think we have to be very careful to say that there's no truth in the buzzfeed story, because there could be some. i think you have a spectrum of action that's the president could have taken. by the way, in the sentenc...

So they are willing to dig in their heels and they see the president twisting in the wind here making multiple addresses to the nation and not really being able to move the needle and they are willing to stand their ground. that's part of the reason why you see democrats sort of rejecting this offer even before its laid on the table. they don't necessarily feel the pressure just yet about whether or not the public is blaming them at all for the shutdown. we'll have to wait and see if that changes. president trump is shouldererin the burden of this shutdown and that's why he's negotiating himse...