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for msnbc news, -- matt miller joins us, former special advisor on communications for the nsa, and former chief spokesperson for the department of justice. and jeff mason, white house correspondent for reuters. ryan, you had the very difficult challenge of speaking to us moments after this document dropped. you've had a bit more time, tell us what else we've learned. >> i mean, i think it's significant, especially those photos that you discussed in the last hour, that show just how this was organized. i think the key part of this is essentially, them not trusting the trump team. beca...

Hard it is to prove intent. it's the hardest thing to prove in these types of cases. not that someone did something, but that some someone did something intentionally. but when you cover that thing up, when you lie about that thing, when you conceal that thing from the department of justice and the fbi, it tends to prove intent. if it was a genuine mistake, you would say immediately, oh my goodness, stephanie, my bad, i realized that i had a whole bunch of classified information in my basement, here you go. i don't want it, it's yours, you should have a back and to matt's point, that's not rea...