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Was there any level of cooperation at all? >> to my disappointment, not to my knowledge, sir. this is a question i asked repeatedly when first learned of it. what are we doing? are we in there? are we helping them discover the vulnerabilities? this was fresh off the opm experience. there was a point at which dhs cyber security experts did get into opm and actually help them discover the bad actors and patch some of the exfiltrations, or minimize some of the damage. so i was anxious to know whether or not our folks were in there. the response i got was, fbi had spoken to them. they don't want o...

More we thought we could and should do to address this issue. can you elaborate if you are still secretary of homeland security. what would your recommend ation be? >> a number of things. one, i would as a congress think about -- i would think about grants to state election officials. to help them harden their cybersecurity. i would raise awareness among state election officials, as well as public in general. employees of state governments. raise awareness about the evils and the hazards of spear fishing. i think at a national level, there should be, in this current administration, somebody wh...

Is more that we could and should do to address this issue. can you elaborate -- if you were still secretary of homeland security, what would your recommendations be? >> a number of things. one, i would, as congress, i would think about grants to state election officials to help them harden their cyber security. i would raise awareness among state election officials as well as public in general, employees of state governments, raise awareness about the evils and hazards of speer fishing. i think at a national level there should be in this administration somebody who takes the mantle of cyber se...

Forward, you designated the voting system as critical infrastructure. can you give us a quick snap as to why that was important in your mind? >> it was important in my mine because critical infrastructure receives a priority in terms of the assistance we give on cyber security. that's number one. there's a certain level of confidence -- of confidentiality that goes into the communications between critical infrastructure and the department that are guaranteed. number three, when you are part of critical infrastructure, you get the protection of the international cyber norms. thou shall not atta...

This is our process, our sovereign responsibility, we're not interested in the federal takeover. >> doesn't the federal government have an interest in the integrity of these elections? >> i think the american public, the nation has an interest in the integrity of the election and i think you federally elected officials have an interest in the integrity of the elections that result in you sitting here, yes. but i think that we need to continue now that the campaign is over, maybe in odd years, if we could find a way to raise awareness when the temperature is down, maybe through grants encourage...