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Russia who is second. we are the only energy rich country that takes 95% of the resources and pet puts them off limits. we can't afford to do that. it is absolutely ridiculous. we need to open up the access for all sorts of energy, not just in the gulf, other off shore area, offshore alaska and western shale. >> what do you say to the president who says he wants to make america brazil's best customer? what do you say? >> i tell you what, living on the gulf coast i found that trip and that statement deeply, deeply offensive. we sent $2 billion of u.s. taxpayer dollars in an xm loan guarantee to...

Worked on it. if you want to answer the jobs question and talk about producing our own energy, this is an important first step. >> can it be done safely? >> absolutely it can. and you know, it's the critical piece of us moving into some of these cares. the thing that you have to look for when you answer that question, because you know, we just saying it isn't enough. you have to look at the track record in places like the gulf of mexico and you look at the performance of this industry over the last couple of decades. it's very, very strong. certainly makes us comfortable. i think, again, i'll ...

Years. joining me now is the president of shell oil, marvin odum. mr. odum, good to have you with us tonight. appreciate your time here on msnbc. i think a lot of -- >> good to be here. >> you bet. a lot of americans are wondering, what does this mean? is this a big step forward to energy independence no how do you see it? >> it's actually a very important step. it's not the whole run, but it is a very important step. so i see it like this. you break down the areas that were identified by the administration. offshore alaska, the eastern seaboard, and the eastern gulf of mexico. and allowing ex...

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