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Food prices, higher mortgagel payments, higher rents, - higher costs of petrol to get to work and now budgeting for £800 or £900 extra. i so that's why we've said - that the government should do more on the windfall tax. and also, and actuallyl this is something today which is so frustrating - in the autumn statement, the government said they're going to do more to retrofitl homes — starting in 2025. but we've got an emergency now with energy bills. - but we said over a year ago. that you could be retrofitting two million homes a year, i saving people up to £1,000 off their bills. and the...

There is a role for big - intervention, big spending. and that might have marked a change, and i think what's| really interesting, - and what will be interesting is our appetite as a nation, | the public's appetite to say, what do we want from government, a sort ofi existential question, and are we preparedi to pay for it? that's the kind of big picture, isn't it, in terms of the state of the economy and how people react, as you say, to whether they want bigger or smaller government? a couple of things just to ask you about, adam. one is recession, the r word used by the chancellor today. the ...