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Major civil rights organization trying to discourage african-american women from getting pregnant out of wedlock? when was the last time you saw that? >> i don't know if i've seen that. i know i have seen the encouragement of marriage. i have seen an emphasis on jobs, and i think -- >> that's a problem, wouldn't you say? >> yeah. but the problem is actually fixed by the solution of jobs, the creation of the economic safety net. it's not just telling people to get married. if two people are poor and don't have access to a proper economy you're bringing too poor people together who can't cover t...

>> well, bill, first of all, i have to say about your talking points memo that got this whole conversation started earlier this week, i played a whole bunch of it on my radio show and the phones lit up. people were cheering and clapping because someone had the guts to say what you said the way you said it with the passion that you said it earlier this week. hats off to you for that and it started a much needed conversation. but on the issue that's facing the black community and really the country, you hit -- you hit and i think brilliantly the fact that we've had a breakup of the traditional b...

Major civil rights organization trying to discourage african-american women from getting pregnant out of wedlock? when was the last time you saw that? >> i don't know if i've seen that. i know i have seen the encouragement of marriage. i have seen an emphasis on jobs, and i think -- >> that's a problem, wouldn't you say? >> yeah. but the problem is actually fixed by the solution of jobs, the creation of the economic safety net. it's not just telling people to get married. if two people are poor and don't have access to a proper economy you're bringing too poor people together who can't cover t...

About how marriage was so important for women today. let me give you one statistic. robert recter of the college foundation came up with a study but it still stands. there's single mothers in the ud states. 37%. 6.8% for married women. when you count education, bill, even if both husband and wife only have a high school education, that figure is only 8.9%. okay. so marriage is a critical weapon against poverty for all people, but especially in the hardest and most vulnerable places in the inner city today. so that is such an important part of this conversation. and sadly, people like al sharpt...

>> well, bill, first of all, i have to say about your talking points memo that got this whole conversation started earlier this week, i played a whole bunch of it on my radio show and the phones lit up. people were cheering and clapping because someone had the guts to say what you said the way you said it with the passion that you said it earlier this week. hats off to you for that and it started a much needed conversation. but on the issue that's facing the black community and really the country, you hit -- you hit and i think brilliantly the fact that we've had a breakup of the traditional b...