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Even be more sinister than anything else? >> i think attorney general barr is a statement that there was spying and political surveillance that goes beyond what we see in these ohr documents today tells me that there is a much deeper layers still to be revealed but we don't know what that is yet. so before we can assign -- >> sean: to that you believe that they outsourced spine that would be illegal? >> there are suggestions of it. there is evidential suggestions but not enough to say conclusively. >> sean: what do you say? >> well, they were paying steele during the campaign. we have document...

Mr. horwitz's report, we hope comes in september, and likend lindsey said, it was just last year when mr. horwitz told us about andy mccabe lying three times under oath and that's why he got fired. and as lindsey said, peter strzok got terminated because bob mueller fired him because of the text messages between him and lisa page. >> sean: real quick, do you believe they will be held accountable? real quick. b >> i do. >> sean: by accountable, they will be charges? >> that's not my lien -- >> sean: let me go back to sara, tom, and john really quickly here. do you use three believe, as i do, th...