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Tragedy like this what is the most important thing the government should be doing now? >> what the government should be doing is thinking about first of all, you have to have the funding in place, too. finally, not just a grave aging in infrastructure but reinvent it for the 21st century. we shouldn't just be keeping amtrak or trains as they are. we should be getting them faster, safer, greener, cleaner. freight rail is a good example, because freight rail in the u.s. has actually been a big success. i know there's still some problems with oil explosions. but freight rail is profitable. it rei...

Wilderness in the lower 48. a lot of the coastline is 30 or 40 miles from the nearest road, and once the oil gets into that marsh grass, it's literally impossible to ever clean up. >> you have been an out spoken critic against offshore drilling. you think it's unfair to use this current spill as an argument against it? >> if this were the only spill you could say that, but there are lots of the spills. in the gulf since 2001, there has been 858 oil explosions or fires associated with offshore drilling. we see spills and 100 spills every year in the gulf. this one is a larger magnitude, and it'...