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But you're also finding the humor in it and creating content that's really very funny. but what is your take-away from it? is it -- does it lean toward cult or a lack of information or -- what are you finding in these people? >> i think we shouldn't shy away from the word cult. it's cultish behavior through and through. i think what i'm seeing is bad information with adults who are acting like children puts us in a really dangerous place. you have responsible adults acting like children who are manipulating these people with this bad information. you see it today. i look at the elon musk tweet...

Supporters? >> she wanted to be able to blame it on the trump support. >> so you must be watching the january 6th committee? >> no. >> jordan, you are supremely talented. there is a balance here where you are respectful and listening but also finding the humor in it and creating content that is really very funny. what is your takeaway? does it lean toward cult or a lack of information, or what are you finding in these people? >> i think we shouldn't shy away from the word consult. it is cultish behavior through and through. adults acting like children put this in a dangerous place. responsible...

Pick on it. he's picking fights with mexico over who's going to visit who and on on a whole list of hot button and aside from the point of what haley said of the key thing which is growing the economy and growing jobs. >> here is the argument, would you rather cut spending and social security or medicare or start building stuff, what would they say? >> well, i think if you were able to convince them that the building stuff stuff thing was real and you are going to make the other part oit lean, i think you could sell that. >> but, that would take all the salesmanship that donald trump is allege...

>> donald trump of his best line saying best in philadelphia was the thing that i do best is b l build things. >> great, build some things and pick on it. he's picking fights with mexico over who's going to visit who and on on a whole list of hot button and aside from the point of what haley said of the key thing which is growing the economy and growing jobs. >> here is the argument, would you rather cut spending and social security or medicare or start building stuff, what would they say? >> well, i think if you were able to convince them that the building stuff stuff thing was real and you a...

>> m.i.t. security studies. deployed sanctions as a tool. >> so who would call for greater sanctions. unilateral sanctions, the u.s. doing it lean, won't mean very much. it has to be done in concert with our allies, germany and others. some of the europeans are a bit reluctant. the urge is to push back and to punish. that's reasonable and good