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Around setting the stage for a political discussion rather than setting the stage to really reform our government and bring deficits under control. and then what he did offer was a lot of gimmicks. he even talked about it in the context of 12 years when washington works on a 10-year rule for most budgets. and that's the old byrd rule. it's been around for a long time. so he's asking us to compare apples, the ryan plan, to oranges, the obama plan. and really they're not even the same -- they're not even in the same game. and so i think the president really is kind of misleading. he's got a lot ...

That's the old byrd rule, it's been around for a long time. so he's asking us compare apples, the ryan plan, to oranges, the obama plan. and really they're not even the same -- they're not even in the game same. so i think the president really is kind of misleading. he's got a lot of gimmicks. he's not looking to solve the problem and he really pushes the burden onto future political generations, not on the political generation serving in washington right now. so i think that it was not the best policy objective for the president to have. instead, it was a political objective he put forward. >...

Bring deficits under control. and then what he did offer was a lot of gimmicks. he even talked about it in the context of 12 years when washington works on a ten-year rule for most budgets. that's the old byrd rule, it's been around for a long time. so he's asking us compare apples, the ryan plan, to oranges, the obama plan. and really they're not even the same -- they're not even in the same game. so i think the president really is kind of misleading. he's got a lot of gimmicks. he's not looking to solve the problem and he really pushes the burden onto future political generations, not on the...

Financial problems that this administration is now facing. >> well, first of all, i thought the president's speech was more political than it was policy. >> how so? >> well, the first 2,700 words centered around setting the stage for a political discussion rather than setting the stage to really reform our government and bring deficits under control. and then what he did offer was a lot of gimmicks. he even talked about it in the context of 12 years when washington works on a ten-year rule for most budgets. that's the old byrd rule, it's been around for a long time. so he's asking us compare a...