that on the other side of the interrogation room walls, his paternal grandfather, steve harris has come to assist him. i said i d like to see my grandson. and they said well we re interrogating him. i said, does he have a lawyer or a child advocate? they said, no. and the strangest thing they said was since 9/11, that s all changed. officers point out that thomas s mother, melody jones is also in the building. and has gwynn them permission to interview the boy. i said, she s bipolar, she has just lost her daughter, she s in a destroyed state, she s not competent enough to help him or help herself. and they said, as long as she says we can talk to thomas, that s all we need. i just wanted, for the record, that you did allow us to talk to thomas.
i feel like they were trying to find some friction between us. now, you said you have, you have some anger problems? yes. who is your anger directed to most of the time? my sister. and why is that? because she argues with me. she bosses me around. she doesn t respect me because i m older. she just supposed to respect me. i don t know what s going on. my sister s gone. why aren t we trying to find the person who did this. why are you asking me all these questions? do you know what time it is? cause i m getting very hungry. 90 minutes into the interrogation, thomas is brought into another room to eat. law enforcement officials stay with him the entire time. they took that child off camera for three hours and 30, 40 minutes.
is that correct? yes. melody jones declined to be interviewed by msnbc. a parent should not be able to give up your rights, especially when she s the only other person that could have done it. even worse for thomas, he s giving investigators information that s starting to work against him. like details of a game he played with kaylee. using handcuffs made of yarn. could you have been in a room since mama was in bed, and, and y all decided to play and tie each other up. no, i don t tie her up with leashes. yeah, but you could have been in there and say come on, let s play prison break, or whatever. i don t remember. and then tie her up. i don t remember. and that s fine. because you re playing a game. could i have tied her up and did this by accident?
caylee s head into the pillow. when i asked the medical examiner if the cause of death was consistent with a large person straddling caylee and holding her head in the pillow, he said yes, that was consistent with her suffocation. not saying it was the only way, but he said that was certainly consistent. i approached her bed, got down on the bed and put the bags over her head. nonetheless, thomas words in the interrogation room are too powerful for the judge overseeing the case and thomas is convicted of second degree murder. i was shocked. i figured, how could he come to that verdict when it s so obvious that i didn t do it.
i guess they didn t want us to know what was being said because they certainly had the ability to record it. while thomas eats, melody jones replaces her son in the interrogation room. were you in any way involved in the death of your daughter? no. i don t like thinking death. i wouldn t do that. and i don t think thomas would either. when you watch that tape, whenever you get past thomas wouldn t hurt her sister, then generally speaking, you get some tears, followed by something derogatory or negative about thomas. that he blows up, he s on medication, he doesn t have friends, he doesn t like church. things of that nature. when you catch him doing something, is he good about going ahead and fessing up, or