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With 12% his families or allies own and you very quickly add up to the entire company owned by deripaska or people close to putin. >> the whole idea is we need to get control of this company away from the crekremlin and insteadt stays effectively in kremlin control and in control of the kremlin connected oligarch plus he benefits to the tunes of hundreds of millions of the dollars. i know it's a complex case but i feel like you've nailed it. thanks for helping us understand it. >> thanks for having me on to understand it. >> i will say that the thing that always gives these guys away, deep int...

Our calculations using this document that we obtained and previously available information suggests that vtb will control 24% of the holding company that owns rusal. you combine oleg deripaska's 45% with 12% his families or allies own and you very quickly add up to the entire company owned by deripaska or people close to putin. >> the whole idea is we need to get control of this company away from the kremlin and instead, it stays effectively in kremlin control and in control of the kremlin connected oligarch plus he benefits to the tunes of hundreds of millions of the dollars. it's remarkable ...