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In new york, he is the guy who is dealing with qatar in saudi arabia and middle east peace and china. if he is and his dad's company are in searching for money, isn't that a conflict or a potential conflict? >> and that's the unknowable point in this juncture. what is there? is that there money? is there loans? is there something outstanding that somebody has a lean on 666, right, that they're going the call if something doesn't go their way? you can't know at this point. and no one knows exactly, to phil's point, how many of these clearances are done. you don't know how many times people in t...

That's not saying it's an excuse, but it's a little more in-depth than people might understand. >> what does that have to do with the president overriding? >> it doesn't. that explains some of the holes, why it wasn't done. i think there is no objection. the president should have said listen, this is my person who is doing middle east peace. i determined he is necessary for this job, and just say it. >> but if it is business -- look, he was meeting with chinese companies trying to get a bill out for 666, the building in new york, he is the guy who is dealing with qatar in saudi arabia and midd...