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Microphone in a way that is about sowing hate and division in our country. >> you don't have to use a lot of imagination to connect the dots here. it is very clear that this kind of hate is being legitimatized from on high, and if that were not true, president would be acting and speaking very differently than what he's doing right now. >> now to get the perspective of scott lewis aucas, a professor international politics at the university of birmingham in england. thanks for being here. >> thank you, george. good to be here. >> i don't want to get too deep into the alleged gunman's manifesto ...

From on high. and if that were not true, the president would be acting and speaking very, very differently than what he's doing right now. >> when you have language that is racist, that is anti-immigrant, there are mentally unstable people in this country who see that as a sign to do terrible, terrible things. so i think the president has got to stop that racism and that xenophobia immediately. >> we're also getting reaction from congressman steve scalise, the republican congressman from louisiana. the house minority whip. as you'll remember, congressman scalise was shot in june of 2017 during...

Proud of. >> i want to say with more moral clarity that donald trump is >> and then you talked about the reaction, how the first responsible for this. he's responsible because he is responders really came to the need of everybody there. stoking fears and hatred and a lot of after the fact. bigotry. he is responsible because he's you talked about mental health failing to condemn white and gun violence. is there any way to proactively supremacy and see it as it is, prevent something like this from which is responsible for such a happening? we see it time and time again, significant amount of the...

Legitimized from on high. if that were not true, the president would be acting and speaking very, very differently than what he's doing right now. >> and there is no question that this president is setting a tone of division and fanning the flames of bigotry and of hate. >> donald trump is responsible for this. he's responsible because he is stoking fears and hatred and bigotry. he is responsible because he is failing to condemn white supremacy and see it as it is, which is responsible for such a significant amount of the terrorist attacks. he's responsible because he is president of the unite...

It is very clear that this kind of hate this being legitimized from on high. and if that were not true the president would be acting and speaking very, very differently than what he's doing right now. >> one last question. the alleged shooter in el paso could be facing of a case where probably could get very strong support for somebody like this, a white nationalist, assuming he's found guilty in a court of law, a white nationalist or white supremacists murdering innocent people because of their race or color of their skin. but you don't support capital punishment. would you oppose it in this ...