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>> i fully expect he will burn down horowitz as soon as he has more time to think through some of the things that are said in the report. i mean, my support is for the institution and not for the president's approach in this. i think his leadership is functionally deficient when it comes to these issues. he in many ways is the cause for the hyper partisan climate that has really done such an enormous disservice to these foundational democratic institutions that we rely on. >> so functionally deficient is joyce's nice word for saying he is a freaking wrecking ball to the d.o.j. and the fbi. >> ...

Organization that they had from top to bottom. >> let me get you, joyce, to weigh in on what kind of legal risk this is for the president. i'm told by a source close to donald trump that as with the trump university case, when he senses legal risk, he usually does settle. >> you know, he's in legal peril here not just on the civil side of the house, but potentially on the criminal side of the house because there's been a referral by the new york a.g. to both the irs on tax issues and also to the federal election commission. but it's the facts in this case that are just a knock-out. it's everyt...

The tarmac to the whole russian involvement. so, really good people, people who had spent their entire careers making good decisions in very difficult situations faced challenging circumstances. and the i.g. concludes that they didn't get everything right. i think comey is certainly on record as respectfully disagreeing with that. the real problem moving forward is that we live -- and i say we as a country, we're now living in this hyper-charged partisan environment where everything has to be about politics. and the problem is we're forced to take a side. democratic or republican, one way or t...

People were trying to resolve on the fly. and now frankly we need to move forward and learn the lessons. >> joyce, let me -- >> and support the institution. >> let me press you. i never disagree with you, and i agree about the moment in which we are in. but in real-time, donald trump rolls his hand picked fbi director chris wray, who represented one of trump's closest allies, chris christie. he rolled him on the nunes memo, he rolled him on the outing of the informant. we don't know the extent to which rosenstein and wray are rolled on issues that haven't come to light. but what you just descr...