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About these kind of stalin era tactics that we're hearing about, that nbc has not yet been able to confirm. the kidnapping of ukrainians in the city of mariupol and then the shipping of these ukrainians, sending of these ukrainians to russian areas, to russian cities, amidst all of the uncertainty and fear that exists in your war-torn country, what do you make of it? >> we heard about these tactics at 7 march when the first idea appeared in russian media that russia is able to provide humanitarian corridors, but the corridors have to lead to russia itself. and then we published an open stateme...

There. >> along with that appalling situation, we're hearing the tactics the russian forces are taking there in mariupol, accusing russian forces there of kidnapping, deporting ukrainian refugees to russian cities, by the way, these are stalin era tactics, ali. what do we know about this? >> that's right. officials in mariupol are saying that the russians have forcibly taken thousands of citizens across the border against their will. now i have to tell you, nbc news can't independently verify this, but more and more testimonials are coming out to back up those claims that the russians are doin...

Country which might hamper or completely change the willingness to defend the large cities like odesa and kyiv. >> you know, ambassador taylor, children fleeing mariupol have been fired on. at least their children. one mariupol resident describes the situation as a living hell. is that all part of the russian strategy? punishing civilians, including children to try to force them out? >> wolf, it's horrible. words can't express how horrible it is. mariupol is important but the other thing about mariupol is, even if the russians eventually do take it, they will have alienated the entire country....

Said our hearts are broken by what the russians are doing to our mariupol and of course this morning the russians hit an art school with a bomb again, the city council says that there were about 400 people in that bayment of that art school taking refuge from the persistent bombing. most of them women, children, and elderly. they say that many of them are still trapped under the rubble, but rescue efforts are being hampered there because of the constant fighting in mariupol. and because it's so difficult to get to these places, they don't have an exact number of casualties or fatalities, but w...

Going from being a bloody, ugly, horrific conflict in ukraine to something that turns out to be a full-fledged war between nato and russia. >> and then the number of the day, the people of the day, the loss of the day. 10 million. that's how many refugees have fled the war, fled their homes, lost their homes for now in ukraine. or have been displaced so far, according to the u.n. we're going to begin with that news out of mariupol. city council officials reporting hundreds of elderly refugees, women, children, they're currently trapped under rubble after russian forces bombed an art school con...