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Only comey can tell us that. absolutely comey has to testify in open session because we need to know whether there was this loyalty pledge, whether he was asked to move away from the flynn investigation. those are constitutional questions -- >> why do we need to know that when we have a special counsel who needs to know that? >> it's a question of what's under the special counsel's purview, right? if he's looking into the connections between the trump administration, the trump campaign and russia. that's a different set of questions than abuse of power or obstruction of justice. maybe that lie...

Independence of the fbi. he didn't want the rank and file of the fbi to know about this dinner, we're told. but he felt like he couldn't say no to his boss. now, the people we've talked to find it inconceivable that jim comey would tell donald trump he was not under investigation, but they don't know for a fact because they weren't at the meeting. only comey can testify to that, greta. >> ken, is there -- usually when the fbi director or any of these cabinet officers travel, they have assistants or deputies with them. was there anybody else at that dinner besides the president and james comey?...