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He had nothing to lose or gain other than he wanted to pardon his friend mark rich. the president has a lot to gain by issuing the pardons now, by sending signals to people that potentially could provide information against him. >> yeah. >> that's the issue have i with the pardons he is doing. now. >> and we've been talking about dinesh d'souza and some of the other folks. listen, let's get become to this issue. and you were talking about moral leadership, right? this is a gallup poll this week. and it says that 77% of republicans believe trump provides strong moral leadership. does that numbe...

Totally nowhere. >> it's one of the things that's so obvious, they think this is so obvious, no one will believe it, they won't even see it. like when someone does something right in front of your face and you won't notice it. if they try to hide it. yeah, no one will suspect because i'm going do it right in front of your face. april, the president issues this complete pardon to far right pundit and conspiracy theorist dinesh d'souza and signals he may pardon martha stewart and issue ooh commutation for former illinois governor rod blagojevich, blago. is he telling folks like michael cohen a...