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He joins me now. senator, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you so much, katy. happy new year to you. >> where dua line yourseo you a today, the 5.6 billion that he wants for a border wall, or the democrats who say no? >> from the time i spoke to the president, i've gone clear back to the 2013 comprehensive immigration bill we did. we gave him more than he ever asked for. we supported $40 million of border security. when you talk about a wall, the op ttics of a wall is not what we're talking about. we're talking about some type of secured barrier. this secured barrier, if you talk to ...

Effective use on behalf of the american people. >> that first clip he was lecturing nancy pelosi. let me do it apparently is the part he would have continued. the department of health and human services has a $12 billion budget cut proposed to the new budget. what's the op ttics here? >> they're terrible. here's an administration that promised to be a populist administration, promised a cut government spending and to drain the swamp. and here you have a very high profile cabinet member doing all the things president trump promised wouldn't happen. so in terms of the optics it certainly doesn't...