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Self-loathing that much of the west seems to have, through its politicians and its media. we are to be kind and open hearted and show the world what virtuous and wonderful people we are, even if we imperil our whole way of life. there could be no clearer, better example than sweden. what has happened there in the last five years with opening up the door to large numbers of young men with different religion, different language, different culture, it has been a disaster. and to be honest with you i fear for the future of those swedish cities. now if people want to keep ahead of the sand over thi...

Yes. did they do it as much as you are doing it right now? no. >> what's your point? >> the point is -- >> what's the law say you have to do, chris? >> it doesn't say you have -- >> yes, it does. >> enforcement is up to you. >> and choosing to do it. >> look, this law was signed in 2008. it was signed by bush. it's not about democrats putting a fast one through. it's how do you want to enforce it and whether you want to take the risk that these people that come across undocumented will return for legal process. >> that's right. >> again, the facts are did obama do this? yes. did he do it as mu...

Return for legal process. >> that's right. >> again, the facts are did obama do this? yes. did he do it as much? no. why? does he had a different mentality, his administration about what these people represent. my question to you is you used to own that mentality. reagan, bush, as i just suggested were much more open hearted. there seems to be -- >> no. ronald reagan, a president i respect deeply, one of his biggest regrets was the 1986 immigration bill. because he thought the amnesty that was a big part of the 1986 immigration reform would be one and done. we would cure this problem. we would...

Us be a little stronger. >> i don't see any scenario in which donald trump, as relatable as he could try to make himself, is going to attract people, at this point, who are outside that 30%, 38%, whatever, base. >> yeah, we haven't had a president who so openly, at a minimum, refused to criticize nazis. i'm being as charitable as possible. he has crossed some lines in a way that no other modern president of either party ever has. so he's raised the stakes. even when bush joking about wmd, which caused a lot of unnecessary deaths around the world, there was a domestic level of his behavior, of ...

Rivers, untouched. at the same time, i think a lot of people don't appreciate what the spirit in africa. and that's what really moved my as a young man and totally changed my life. was this idea that you could have some of the poorest people in the world, who have so much less than most of us. and they still had -- they were still so warm and open-hearted and connected with each other. and that was one of the things i took away from the early trips was a sense of empathy. i showed up as a clueless 18-year-old and i wasn't really, you know -- i wasn't connected to other people. and i left diffe...