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House that night and he talks to you about january 6th. what do you remember him saying? >> as mr. giuliani and i were walking to his vehicle he said something to the effect of cass, are you excited for the 6th, it's going to be a great day, and rudy, what happened on the 6th? he responded we are going to the capitol, it's going to be great, the president is going to be there, he's going to look powerful, talk to the chief about it, talk to the chief about it. >> did you go back to the west wing and tell mr. meadows about your conversation with mr. giuliani? >> i did. after he left the campus,...

Today's witness, miss cassidy hutchinson, another republican and another former member of president trump's white house staff. certain of us recall miss hutchinson once worked for republican whip steve scalise, she held a prominent role in the white house legislative affairs office and later was the principal aid to president trump's chief of staff, mark meadows. miss hutchinson has spent considerable time up here on capitol hill representing the trump administration and we welcome her back. up until now our hearings have each been organized to address specific elements of president trump's pl...

Exoneration of the president's role, but he's pointing again to the leaving out of the peacefully heading to the capitol, no exoneration but the lack of any alternative perspective or questioning on the committee in that room. nonetheless, martha, we are learning a whole lot more, and the memory and the details around the basic framework we had, she was also known to be a very good note taker, so clearly she's providing a lot of detail for the committee and for the country today. >> martha: absolutely. i'm not sure it shocks anybody that the president, knowing what we have seen, observing him ...

White house, it's quite a small building. above me on the screen you can see a map of the first floor of the west wing of the white house. on the right you can see the president's oval office. on the left the chief of staff's office suite. within the chief of staff's office suite is the heart of the west wing was your desk, which was between the vice president's office, and the oval office. miss hutchinson, is this an accurate depiction of where you were located? >> it's accurate. it's a lot smaller than it looks. >> absolutely. miss hutchinson, this is a photo that shows the short distance be...

Tv, chief? the tv was small, and you could see it but i didn't know if he was really paying attention. watching tv, chief? yeah. rioters are getting really close, have you talked to the president? >> no, he wants to be alone right now, still looking at his phone. so i start to get frustrated because i sort of felt like i was watching -- this is not a great comparison, but a bad car accident about to happen where you can't stop it but you want to be able to do something. and i remember thinking in that moment mark needs to snap out of this and i don't know how to snap him out of this, he needs ...