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And have had fabulous careers. were you aware always of how he would vote or what his politics were? >> you know, one of the nice things about clerking for judge kavanaugh is the extent to which he brought his clerks in to the discussion process to decision making process. he would want to look at every brief, read every law review article and check the precedent and encourage his clerks to debate the issues in front of him and with him. what i was impressed by, his open-mindedness, fairness and attention and care that he gave to every litigant in every case, whether a big case or small case. ...

Tv, just brings the world closer to all of us. and that's a fantastic thing. that's what's going to be missed the most b about him. sfl that's a fan tas bic quality that was unique to him. when james saying his curiosity is something that strikes everyone, it's why it's so striking and shoging of what happened. you got to know anthony through a different way, as "the new york times" restaurant critic. what are you thinking tonight? this is a man who devoured the world. who modelled a kind of add v adventurousness. a fearlessness. there are no shortage of americans who have gone out in search o...

Which had gone for donald trump about 3-1 over hillary clinton or some huge margin. people there, if you asked them about national politics would say, oh, we're so glad that donald trump won, at the same time they were saying, we hope nafta doesn't get upset because we have so many exports. we hope that the immigration flow doesn't get changed because that's such a part of our workforce. so there's this weird disconnection between the practical-minded, open-mindedness that most people have in their own circumstances and the switch that is flipped when you talk about national politics. >> do yo...

That's such a part of our workforce. so there's this weird disconnection between the practical-minded, open-mindedness most people have in their own circumstances and the switch that is flipped when you talk about national politics. >> do you think they're voting for personality rather than policy, because if the policies are hurting them in some ways they're voting against their own interests? >> i will tell you what i really think. it is a difficult conclusion i have come to over a long while. i think that national politics has become so divorced from the realities of modern life that people...

Towards the same mountaintop through different paths. you don't see that in a possible practice like that one. >> yeah. so, the research firm hired by the epa specializes in, quote, war room type technology for robust intelligence gathering. are you comfortable with the epa spending taxpayer money on a partisan-style war room inside the agency to research its own employees? >> well, i mean, to the extent that money is being spent on something like that, that sort of monitoring is frightening, because especially when you're dealing with an organization like the epa, we're looking for innovative...