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Cities spoke about budget cuts or climate change policies at the agency. then a conservative campaign research group consulting with the epa filed a foia, which is a freedom of information act, request for all their federal e-mails. why would the epa sick an opo research group on its own employees? >> it seems like there's some sort of surveillance. it's the usual story where we're not supposed to say anything bad about, say, the president or his policies, that we're all supposed to walk in a kind of lockstep, and that's unfortunate in this case, because of course, if you're public-spirited, t...

Towards the same mountaintop through different paths. you don't see that in a possible practice like that one. >> yeah. so, the research firm hired by the epa specializes in, quote, war room type technology for robust intelligence gathering. are you comfortable with the epa spending taxpayer money on a partisan-style war room inside the agency to research its own employees? >> well, i mean, to the extent that money is being spent on something like that, that sort of monitoring is frightening, because especially when you're dealing with an organization like the epa, we're looking for innovative...