Ones where they become pen pass and fascinated with these guys and strike up a romance. you see that, too. >> i think that based on what i experienced, it seems that there are some women who feel like they can, in some ways, tame the beast. and change these men. but what was really interesting, with both of the couples that we profiled, they communicate with these men constantly. they will talk to their -- their partners multiple times a day. and they have their -- >> how? >> by phone. >> collect calls? >> collect calls. in some cases they are able to video chat. they can send videos in the --...