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Is not a police state tactic. >> bret: charles is still on the mend, and we hope he comes back soon but match, that's the argument. >> i feel unworthy to sit in this chair. i'm glad you played the clip. i think that's right. i think what americans are searching for his balance. they don't want all of the bad guys. because the bag i say we are going to use our system, our open system, our constitutional system of freedom against us to undermine us. i don't really see what's wrong with finding these guys overseas. i like the idea of adding steps that when americans, when citizens are caught up i...

In the political system there, so maybe he feels some affinity with president trump, but there are limits to that. i think, you know, the question of the economic relationship, as i said, is one that kind of underpins this trip, because on the one hand you have many of the administration who believe we need to constrain the growth, as doug was saying, of chinese power in the region, on the other by walking away from the transpacific partnership, in effect, we have seeded economic leadership in asia to china, and there is kind of a magnetic pull of all these economies, including japan, towards ...

Ranchers say so. steve: the chamber of commerce business community argument, what do you think? >> i thought what he said was very interesting. one of the 15 immigrants come here come to work and half are on welfare. and i refuse to believe that illegals are not on welfare. i continue to be absolutely the opposite. what's interesting is he said that the present system limits people by country, so there's only a certain percentage. and what we're seeing coming across from mexico, they're not even bothering to come legally, they're just coming, and mexico is comfortable with that because mexico ...

Ranchers say so. steve: the chamber of commerce business community argument, what do you think? >> i thought what he said was very interesting. one of the 15 immigrants come here come to work and half are on welfare. and i refuse to believe that illegals are not on welfare. i continue to be absolutely the opposite. what's interesting is he said that the present system limits people by country, so there's only a certain percentage. and what we're seeing coming across from mexico, they're not even bothering to come legally, they're just coming, and mexico is comfortable with that because mexico ...

Speech. death to the enemies of america. leave this country if you hate our freedom. you call it terrorism. i call it patriotism. you hear me? die. >> he is charged in the deaths of two men, heroes, who defended two young women on a train last week. the girls apparently targeted because of her hue jab. so joining us now is portland's police chief. chief, thank you for being here. >> thank you very much for having me on. >> why was that suspect allowed to go on that diatribe in court? is that just sort of the downside of free speech? >> well, yes. i mean, free speech rights, first amendment rig...