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Ukraine is having with russia. >> absolutely, ali. and one of the most striking things i think going back to the deposition released yesterday as top state department official george kent was when he said that the ukraine aid that the u.s. gives to ukraine in order to fend off russian aggression is actually more in the national security interest of the united states than it even is in the national interest of ukraine. and he said i can't get into that in an opening setting, i can only get into the details of that in a classified setting. but he emphasized this point, that this was not just the...

Component to this. so while there are some people who will be frustrated, horrified, disgusted with what it is alleged that president trump has done because he may have done something for personal political gain, the more important part of the testimony from vindman and fiona hill was the risk at which the united states in holding back this $391 million was putting ukraine at in the midst of a remarkably important confrontation that ukraine is having with russia. >> absolutely, ali. and one of the most striking things i think going back to the deposition released yesterday as top state departm...

Thoughts, rudy giuliani getting invited by lindsey graham. interestingly, the senator is spinning it saying he wants to get to the bottom of the ukraine thing without a one-sided investigation. he's actually inviting rudy giuliani to come and give his testimony, more or less. what do you make of that development? >> other than it being a larger circus than anything else we've seen yet in this whole probe, if it were to happen in an opening setting, i think the senate democrats, having seen with what they came out with yesterday, having talked with some aides on the senate side, they would reli...

She joins me live from capitol hill, and i want to get to the resolution we're working on in a second. first i want to talk about robert mueller. you heard about his hesitancy about testifying. your reaction to the concerns that he may have right now. >> well, i won't switch my view about robert mueller. robert mueller is a former fbi director and as a member of the judiciary committee i've had mr. mueller before my committee and me as a member of that committee many, many times. he's a former marine and straight arrow and did an outstanding job with his team in volume one and volume two. i ap...

Name. >> hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton. >> clinton. >> clinton. >> hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton's name came up 34 times and she wasn't the biggie bogey man of the hearing. the words russia or russian were mentioned 140 times. >> let's talk now about the general russia investigation okay. >> russia. >> russia. >> russia context. >> russian spies. >> the russia investigation. >> i was fired because of the russia investigation. >> it's like the new marsha marsha. how many questions could the er fbi director not answer. >> is that correct?? >> it's correct. i want to be careful in an ...