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Joining me now, karen demurgeian and barton gelman. latest piece, is the trump white house spying on the fbi. bart, let me start with that on you. i think the operating principle or the operating assumption a lot of us have had is there was a fishing expedition into the raw intelligence by the white house as a means of reverse-engineering some plausible kernel of a basis for this wildly unsupported claim by the president. it was then given to nunes. you sort of floated an alternate theory about what these individuals might have been doing inside that intelligence. what is that theory? >> well,...

House spying on the fbi. bart, let me start with that on you. i think the operating principle or the operating assumption a lot of us have had is there was a fishing expedition into the raw intelligence by the white house as a means of reverse-engineering some plausible kernel of a basis for this wildly unsupported claim by the president. it was then given to nunes. you sort of floated an alternate theory about what these individuals might have been doing inside that intelligence. what is that theory? >> well, it's really a question. i don't have a basis to say it is happening, but it fits the...

Isis and there is one message for them, to stay home and launch attacks. >> the operating assumption here is that this is an act of terrorism. this investigation is now going to be led by counterterrorism command known as so-15. they are one of the most capable counterterrorism outfits in the world. they work very closely with mi-5. they will be going through all sorts of cc-tv, witness statements and investigating this with great intensity. their biggest concern right now, obviously, is this over. they were not commit tal about that. they didn't say whether they have full confidence that this...

That this may be simultaneous attacks, that it may be well coordinated, the initial suspicion would certainly be toward isis especially after the intelligence that led to the banning of laptops between the brits and the u.s. on flights coming in from certain countries. would that be a safe assumption? >> well you know, i think certainly the operating assumption would be either isis or al qaeda. i think it's very early to tell and probably the paramount priority now for the british is to figure out are there other people involved? is there still an ongoing threat? are there other targets that h...

Begala, as i travel and we travel across america and talk to voters, do you believe the president is working on the assumption that while the white house gets their ducks in order, eventually they'll need to answer this, that it's only the media that cares about it, the voters don't care at all, therefore he thinks he can literally not even say "no comment"? >> i think you're right, poppy, that's probably his operating assumption. that may hold for a while. certainly trump voters or maybe i would say about half of trump voters are the way mr. trump described them. he could shoot a guy on fifth...