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That power is distributed in our society has a lot to do with the materials of things. corporate power and the sort of extreme concentration of power among the top 1%. i think the bigger issue here right now is that elon musk is claiming that he's operating twitter, or he wishes to operate twitter in a neutral way. but obviously, is making field judgments about who's on the right and who's on the left, and who's more influential. and twitter did a study the other day that shows that right-wing politicians for example are amplified more by twitters algorithm. and that they're not sure why that ...

Twitter. let me ask you this, what do you make of this line that we hear from the andrew sullivan's and bill mars and elon musk's of the world. forget the tape that it shows that the democrats haven't moved significant the left, but republicans have moved to the far-right. forget all of that. it's about how you feel, it's about the cultural power of the left and places like twitter and academia and the media. what do you make of that line of argument? >> well, i think it's sort of very convenient, sort of argument to make that's based on lies and feelings and the sort of cultural sphere. but t...