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You are not saying you are lying, about threw was a big myth out there the bush administration started fast and furious. that is not true. >> no. no. they were separate operations but of the same nature. this isn't something that's a new concept. how it's being managed absolutely we can argue was it managed well he thought it was appalling. what they have is no documents whatsoever that says that holder even knew of the operation at all. >> if holder doesn't have anything to hide. why the late invocation of executive privilege which is a little odd to invoke executive privilege over the depart...

Documents outlining everything that they found. >> laura: that's not true. >> that's what actually. >> that's what his office is telling it you to say maybe. no, i'm just teasing you. look, you are right. they did turn over a lot of documents. you are right about that 8,000, 7600. however, what is interesting to the committee now are the documents after february. february of 2011 because why they changed their story he they said at first they didn't note extend of the operation then, they withdrew that letter and i think they want to know like why was that letter withdrawn and who, perhaps, di...

You are not saying you are lying, about threw was a big myth out there the bush administration started fast and furious. that is not true. >> no. no. they were separate operations but of the same nature. this isn't something that's a new concept. how it's being managed absolutely we can argue was it managed well he thought it was appalling. what they have is no documents whatsoever that says that holder even knew of the operation at all. >> if holder doesn't have anything to hide. why the late invocation of executive privilege which is a little odd to invoke executive privilege over the depart...

You are not saying you are lying, about threw was a big myth out there the bush administration started fast and furious. that is not true. >> no. no. they were separate operations but of the same nature. this isn't something that's a new concept. how it's being managed absolutely we can argue was it managed well he thought it was appalling. what they have is no documents whatsoever that says that holder even knew of the operation at all. >> if holder doesn't have anything to hide. why the late invocation of executive privilege which is a little odd to invoke executive privilege over the depart...

Government has not enforced these laws. both parties are complicit in this. this is not just the obama administration. this happened under bush and was started under reagan. >> let's be clear that we have 12 million immigrants in this nation. there is going to be a small portion of that just like a small portion here illegally who were born here. >> laura: they were born here. crime is crime. when people weren't supposed to be here in the first place that crime would have never been committed is that the case. >> it is to it a certain extent. >> it is the case, is it not. >> no it's not. we ha...