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They're having great deal of pain coming to -- coming to some conclusion. >> yeah. bob, republican lawmakers, some of them anyway, say it may soon be time to negotiate with democrats. that has a whole bunch of new political issues attached to it, doesn't it? >> yeah. i just don't see that happening any time soon. i mean, remember, we have -- republicans do have all of july to get this done. mitch mcconnell has said, listen, democrats are not cooperating, there's been no bipartisan talk between and she his counterpart, chuck schumer, so i think that might happen but it's not going to happen any...

>> shepard: they're trying for tomorrow because they want to get it together, send it to the congressional budget office, get a new score, get the votes and convince the american people that are wildly against this to change their minds. >> that's right. you mentioned, they're under a lot of pressure to resolve this and move on. it was this week that four big business groups that are part of the republican coalition wrote a letter to legislative leaders and said hey, don't forget about the tax bill. we want our tax overhaul. that's the chamber of commerce, the business roundtable, which repres...

>> elise, your party, republican, joe's party, republican, what is the mindset of people drafting this bill that has popped out of the house and is over in the senate, what is the mindset that, among all the kwuts they'cuts they've mad programs, drug abuse programs, opioid programs have been severely cut, what are they thinking about there? >> yesterday john kasich was on nicolle wallace's great new show, "deadline," he was talking about opiate abuse. it's such a huge issue sweeping the country outside the enclaves that basically voted for hillary clinton. i don't understand the reticence to a...