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He's now president of operations and training at iron net cyber security. welcome to "meet the press." >> thanks very much. >> let me ask you this. what does the opm hack say about cyber security in america today? >> i think what this says is that we haven't all realized we're past the wake-up call stage. the wake-up call has occurred. everybody in the neighborhood -- >> how many times is the wake-up call? >> exactly. the problem is people are stumbling around in the dark looking for the light switch and there's been a guy hiding in the close closet for nine months and he's stealing the jewelr...

And training at iron net cyber security. welcome to "meet the press." >> thanks very much. >> let me ask you this. what does the opm hack say about cyber security in america today? >> i think what this says is that we haven't all realized we're past the wake-up call stage. the wake-up call has occurred. everybody in the neighborhood -- >> how many times is the wake-up call? >> exactly. the problem is people are stumbling around in the dark looking for the light switch and there's been a guy hiding in the close closet for nine months and he's stealing the jewelry and tv and walking out the door...

Incidents in 2014 than the year before. >> i think it's pretty clear that the attackers are winning. and that the defenders are unfortunately lagging behind. this is what our survey data tells us is that slowly spend increases, slowly awareness increases. but so much needs to be done to deal with this very significant issue. >> reporter: to address this some cyber experts are calling for better coordination between businesses and between the private sector and the government. >> if you could simply pass legislation and make it work we'd have a perfect world. the point is that right now the pri...