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This culture is very educational for people. But i think we need to stop believing victims, we need to start believing the women. And i think those are strong words that the white house would probably take issue with. So that is why you are here. Thank you all. That does it for us. Mtp daily starts right now. Hi, chuck. Thank you for all of that. If it is tuesday, russia could be meddling right now. Is anybody in the u. S. Government watching . Tonight the nations intelligence chiefs say russia is targeting the midterm elections. And the white house isnt trying to stop it. Has the president di...

Cyber. >> exactly. >> it came through even, i remember president obama after the sony hit with north korea. they were having a large debate, helene, and you covered a lot of that, about how to retaliate, they knew they needed to but they weren't sure how to do it. >> when it comes to retaliating against this regime, we don't know how to handle it. but we have done plenty of cyber stuff on iran. it's why north korea to this day as not achieved its nuclear ambitions is because of our cyber program. so it's not as if we don't try to do this ourselves. >> we didn't do it after the opm attack, we d...

Have got to do immediately. pete: colonel, where was the outrage on previous attacks? >> right, where was it. pete: you mentioned the opm attack in june of 2015. 21 million social security numbers stolen likely from china they didn't say necessarily. we have two pages we could show. >> right. pete: why did this choose in this instance to expel diplomats and say now it's time to fight back in other instances presumably things that went on behind the scenes but it didn't seem to be as urgent? >> well, you know, pete, just so you know we have talked about this off set before. look, there is a lot...

Again, then of course north korea's leader kim john u.n. can say i will -- kim jong un can say i can do whatever i want because there will be no consequence. >> all those other incidents i think you laid out if my memory is correct are after secretary clinton was no longer secretary of state. i don't know if can you lay those at her feet or not. >> well, i don't think that's true of ukraine. i don't think that's true of the chinese opm attack. i don't think it's true of iran, for example hacking into our dam infrastructure. and, when you lie about a purposeful terrorist attack on benghazi inst...

With other information. but that said there's also just stuff in there that's personal. i mean, it has the social security number with brennan's wife. wikileaks i've dealt with them for a number of years they do this as a got you kind of thing. public service for putting out a security number of a government official spouse? you can't see that. there's a gratuitous factor to this as well. >> the concern just based on the information i'm hearing there's deep concern that the message it sends to government hackers let's say from russia or china or other countries that, you know, you could go get...