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You have a good versus evil debate. >> what about issue by issue? >> issue by issue something like immigration, immigration is an issue for democrats who say this is do you care about people or not. republicans say let's look at this as freedom, liberty and opportunity argument. we need to follow the letter of law. that we are talking about law versus care and it becomes good versus evil debate and you end up in a really rough place where you are saying not that we disagree on principle, we disagree on values. now i don't like you, you must be a bad person, completely different way of conversa...

Leave it to beaver" version of the american dream a challenge. >> you could be paraphrasing the speech the president gave. >> the question is how do you make sure there is a baseline. but i also think you look at what's going on in this country. it's an education issue. we get this unemployment number every week on a friday. that number does not really represent what's going on in the country because there's places in the country where it's obviously much worse. it's much more based on education than anything else. if you have an education under high school, it's under 10% depending on what ra...

Don't deserve, that they didn't earn, and the obama model is that some people aren't getting things from the market that they do deserve and that they did earn. so part of the question that we will see is which one of those things resonates more. >> i don't know. as far as i've long thought the fairness argument is a fair one if you look at the broad trend lines of american society, the stagnating of the middle class wages from 1979 to the present, the weakening power of labor unions. to me, that romney strategy is carving out a very specific portion of the electorate, we talked about it befor...