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Ken, let's talk about the background here as we wait for the memo, the full memo, to be released, not just the sections of this cherry-picked memo that have been selectively released to a couple of media outlets around town. your concerns, talking to all of your sources about how the intelligence community is responding to this now. >> well, one of my long-time sources, former cia officer, called it soul crushing. the way john mcloughlin described what this could do to the congressional oversight process. but i want to go back to something, let's be very clear-eyed about what's going on here. ...

About a year ago, he was a trial attorney working on counter terrorism cases in the doj's elite national security division. since then, he had some communication about going over to the national security council. that didn't pan out. then later on in 2017, he moved over to the house intelligence committee, where he worked under nunes. even though nunes himself took a big step back from the russia investigation, cash was very much involved as soon as he started there, and he really deserves a lot of i guess credit for the fact that we have this memo now. this is in large part his project. >> an...

Serious, serious threat to the rule of law. >> and of course, he could also squeeze the budget. joining us, betsy woodruff, msnbc contributor. you have got some reporting on who actually wrote this memo? >> right. exactly. what i have learned, what we reported earlier this morning is that cash patel, a staffer for devin nunes on the house intelligence committee, played a central pivotal role in putting together the memo, and then moving forward, the effort to ultimately have it be dispersed. we have seen that evidence of course in the last few minutes finally come to fruition. now, i don't wan...

This document. mike is on the hill where it has been released. mike? >> i just got off a conference call with members of devin nunes' staff. they went through what they consider to be their key findings from the memo. i can read some of them to you now. it's largely what i should say we have been led to understand by some of the members who have read the memo, i wouldn't say there are two new surprises but let me hit a few points. the first and most important they cited was that the steele dossier formed an senessential t of the fisa application targeting carter page. we knew and have been hea...

Document, that is sort of a ceremonial aspect. a document. it's just a staff-written memo. perhaps written with the help of the white house. if you look at the pattern of mr. nunes, his midnight ride down to the eisenhower building and going back the next morning and delivering the materials he was given there, then you look at this document, and you look at the way it was written, it's almost like an indictment of comey, mccabe and rosenstein. >> with dana boente thrown in. and sally yates. >> clearly the targets are there. the next bull's eye is of course, mr. rosenstein. i also thought the ...