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Humanitarian work. she would not fit in just the celebrity category. all she has going for her. i think the case against her running, which some of the folks i talked to brought up is why would you do that to yourself? she's not nearly as divisive a figure as donald trump was when he started running, she's widely popular and admired. one of the best ways to tank your approval ratings is to run for office. >> i heard van jones say that we live in a world that oprah hoped to create but that oprah doesn't rule, and i think he is hoping very much she does run. do you think a trump white house, and...

Better than anyone that you have to take these sorts of things seriously. not too many people took donald trump seriously and he's down the other end of pennsylvania avenue right now in the white house. and i candidate like her in a lot of ways is much more frightening than a generic democrat or a bernie sanders or elizabeth warren, who is a known quantity, who is already widely disliked by a lot of republicans, sort of a traditional republican versus democrat lineup, in a lot of ways works to trump's advantage, someone who would change the formula like oprah, that's what makes her such a scar...

Celebrity category. all she has going for her. i think the case against her running, which some of the folks i talked to brought up is why would you do that to yourself? she's not nearly as divisive a figure as donald trump was when he started running, she's widely popular and admired. one of the best ways to tank your approval ratings is to run for office. >> i heard van jones say that we live in a world that oprah hoped to create but that oprah doesn't rule, and i think he is hoping very much she does run. do you think a trump white house, and we saw you there today in the briefing room, wil...

I want you to tell us what you've heard for oprah running and the case against her running. >> i'll start with the case for her running which was surprisingly strong. i woke up in the aftermath aftermath of that speech and thought all the oprah 2020 talk was a little bit silly, but then as i reported out this story, it really did start to make sense and operatives, both democrats and republicans, said, look, she would be a very, very formidable candidate if she decided to run. and it would not be just in the wake of donald trump, anything is possible. but what people told me again both democra...

Trump white house would know it better than anyone that you have to take these sorts of things seriously. not too many people took donald trump seriously and he's down the other end of pennsylvania avenue right now in the white house. and i candidate like her in a lot of ways is much more frightening than a generic democrat or a bernie sanders or elizabeth warren, who is a known quantity, who is already widely disliked by a lot of republicans, sort of a traditional republican versus democrat lineup, in a lot of ways works to trump's advantage, someone who would change the formula like oprah, t...