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Paul: would you you define trump onmics. >> understanding the conservative movement and having read bill buckley and things like that. trump is nod ideological, he's common sense businessman and one of the points in the book is he addresses -- he sort of brought business principles to the white house and fortunately those are kind of common sense principles, get taxes down, get government off to back of business, reduce regulation that is we don't need but he's also, you know, he also is very proworker. i mean, that's one thing people don't -- people care about rich people and so on, every con...

The coal minor in west virginia or auto worker in flint, mitch geant. he knows who brought him to this dance and he's very hyperconcern. paul: i would argue that reagan cared about those people, deeply about those people. >> right. paul: two big places where i see a difference with most conventional conservative economists would be trade and immigration because most conservative economists i think you agree you need people to work and we have a labor shortage now and that's hurting in some areas and on trade, a tariff is a tax and a tax, you tax something you get less of it. he doesn't have pr...