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Also, i think it pails in comparison to the record of donald trump and what we've heard from him in this campaign and what we learned about the way he operates his businesses, the kind of person he is, et cetera. this is not a good thing to have l happened. >> all right, carl. richard nixon was caught on tape and he was saying it was worse than watergate. richard nixon trying to shut down the investigations. here he is not oval office in 1972. >> so that is a so-called smoking gun moment. does hillary clinton e-mail story have a smoking gun moment, carl? >> not in terms of criminality like tha...

>> so that is a so-called smoking gun moment. does hillary clinton e-mail story have a smoking gun moment, carl? >> not in terms of criminality like that, and also, watergate was not just about the cover up. it was about nixon ordering breakins, and nixon ordering fire bombings of a think tank. it was about misuse of the irs and government agencies. it was about endemic criminality in the oval office. what hillary clinton did was reckless, irresponsible, endangered the national security. she has apologized, perhaps not enough -- >> i'm getting a lot of facial expressions and huffing here. >> l...