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We don't know if they would be based on the publishing of material, which sounds a lot like what news organizations do, but or to other larger crimes, like actively conspiring with a foreign country or actively stealing material. we do know, though, some salient fake here, in bob mueller's investigation, he's already referred to wikileaks in that indictment of 12 russian hackers, he called it, quote, organization one, and identified it as allegedly the place russia used to get their stolen e-mails out. i'm joined by a former federal prosecutor and a reporter for "the daily beast." this is a st...

How deep were they in inside wikileaks system. >> wikileaks hasn't been indicted or charged. >> they have not. they were not named, organization one, very clear who they were. if you think that mueller was moving up and putting all of this together a few months ago, he does the internet research agency and now he does the gru, the russian military intelligence, next is what ties all of those together. if he's got it. and we don't know he's got it. on jeff's point, it is remarkable that you have nobody sitting in the room because you're not going to get any real sense of what actually happened ...

This will be in the top five of embarrassing moments. this is a public servant, not a political actor. the way he was treated, the conspiratorial nature, and as bad as it looked yesterday, given these serious indictments -- and do you know how much work goes into identifying 12 by name russian operatives that did this? it looks even worse after seeing these indictments. does anybody on that republican side of the house judiciary committee and the house oversight committee care one iota about what the russians did? it doesn't look that way, the way they asked the questions yesterday. >> chuck t...

It's one of the most startling successes of recent times. what does this mean for vladimir putin going forward? i think it means that this technique of trying to identify where out of a mixture of inertia, inability to recognize threats and of partisan blindness, america has left doors wide open into its national security. there was clearly no serious locks or serious defenses placed in this sort of cyber dimension. we see another one, which is the doors of the united states are wide open into its financial systems for dark money to flood in through anonymous companies. >> and what's the react...

With the white house team now? have you had contact with any of them in regards to this news release? we have gotten a pretty standard response from sarah huckabee sanders saying it shows no americans were willingly involved. >> that's right. the white house is putting out the boilerplate response suggesting that these indictments prove the trump campaign was not involved with the russian election interference. of course the doj's announcement is an unpleasant additive to this trip. there are already questions swirling about his summit on monday with vladimir putin, particularly the time when ...